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And welcome to this Arrow video
commentary for Satan's Blades, where the

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hysteria continues. My name's Justin
Kurzweil.

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I'm the author of Teenage Wasteland, the
slasher movie uncut, and also the kind

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of host or co -host of the hysteria
continues.

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And I'm here with my fellow co -hosts,
Eric, Mason, and Joseph. So how are you

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doing, guys?

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Very good. Very good.

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Excellent. Quite well.

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Great. Good to hear. We're doing this.
It's a transatlantic podcast.

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So I'm in the UK, Eric's in Ireland, and
Joseph and Nathan are in Tennessee in

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the States. So we're hoping that the
Skype gods will be kind to us. They

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are touch wood when we do these
commentaries. But we're very excited to

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this commentary for Satan's Blade.

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It's kind of a film that kind of more or
less disappeared from, well, from the

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canon of slasher movies, the
recognizable canon of slasher movies.

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recent years.

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It's a film that I found on VHS and on
all Mogul PAL release, a boot fair about

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15 years ago.

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It's a film that I've kind of grown to
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I've certainly grown to love it now. So
I'm excited to be talking about it. How

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about you guys?

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Very much so, yeah. I too discovered it
on the Mogul VHS release, probably.

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25 years ago, I'd say at this stage,
probably the very early 90s. I'd never

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heard of it again being pre -internet,
pre -DVD and Blu -ray days.

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But yeah, it was a title I was
unfamiliar with and I was sold

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cover art, which is quite spectacular on
the UK release back in the day.

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The Scott Life figure with the steel
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Absolutely. Just quickly, just an
interjection. That guy you've just seen

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walking out of the bank is Martin
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Blade, the kind of piano -driven score.
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the film. So that's his little cameo in
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But how about you guys? Nathan, how did
you come across Satan's Blade?

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I think I read about it in, you know,
before the Internet, there was the

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uh, movie books, like the all movie
guide, I know.

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Um, and I read about it in there. So I
had to search this one because I

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couldn't know it. None of my local video
stores had it. So it took me a little

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while to find it. It wasn't as easy to
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Yeah, no, absolutely. What about you,
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Um, I believe around 95, 96, right
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of took off as this you -can -find
-anything sort of deal, I was in a shop

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called Grumpy's, and they basically sold
a lot of these old movies for dirt

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cheap. And I'd never actually heard of
Satan's Blade, and I saw the box with

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the, I guess it's the devil -looking
thing holding the knife, which

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is the same artwork they used for
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Anyway, I saw that, and it was like $2
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And, you know, I like the cover art, so
I picked it up and I watched the film. I

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wasn't a big fan of it, but, you know,
like you, Justin, it's something that

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I've kind of grown to love over the
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If I'm honest, I haven't watched it a
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recently. So it's definitely got its...

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Low -budget charm, I'd say. And this
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another kind of 70s grindhouse film
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But that's my story, as it were.

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That's one of my favorite opening
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Justin, did you get a chance to watch
the old UK VHS release? Because I had a

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quick scan through it last night, and I
was surprised to learn that it's cut by

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3 minutes and 35 seconds by the BBFC.

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Including this sequence here in the
bank, all these extended shots of the

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bank clerks being killed have been
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It's not a film that I would obviously
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not terribly graphic, I wouldn't think,
but it just shows how insane the

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censorship laws were back in 1987.

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I mean, you could be forgiven for
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watching a film by Doris Wishman with
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That's harsh.

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around. But, of course, it becomes clear
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think it's quite an effective twist to
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expect in any movie, really, let alone a
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twist at this point.

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But I think the mindset, because I've
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the one that was put out, well, has the
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the one that was cut. But I think it did
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whether or not that was cut, I don't
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And we'll talk a little bit more about
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But the beginning bit here is you've got
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robbers, which is kind of surprising
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you saw there, isn't it, with the knife.

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not explicitly saying that they're
lesbian lovers, but it's certainly kind

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hinting at that. So it's quite kind of a
clever sort of start to the film.

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Satan's Blade, breaking the gender
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I think the two actresses here, I think,
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who play Trish and Ruth.

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I think they were... This is their only
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massive amount extra, certainly as far
as filmmaking films goes.

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about other people's credits.

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And obviously some people behind the
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But again, I think this is kind of very
effective. It kind of reminds me of the

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kind of throwback to this exploitation
film. films of the mid -70s, like The

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Centrifold Girls or The Single Girls,
those kind of films where you've got the

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kind of cynical gunplay and sort of, you
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You never hide the money in an air
conditioning vent. That always leads to

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trouble in these films.

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Are we supposed to believe that their
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the evil in the mountains? Is this why
after 100 years the blade is getting

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even?

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Kind of the gist of what I understand is
that this thing that's been buried, I

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guess it's in the lake, is kind of
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forces kind of bringing it to the
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That's the gist of what I got. So I
think you're on the right path there,

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I think it's one of those things where I
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tagline without watching the movie,
though, because I think later on when

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police turn up, they sort of say there
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recently than that, hadn't there? Yeah.

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But yes, it's one of those films that is
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legend. I think when I first saw this,
there's so many similarities between

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film. and Friday 13th, that I just
presumed this was a Friday 13th rip

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want of a better term.

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And actually, it's one of those films
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well, probably in tandem with Friday
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sort of June, sort of 1980, and this was
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Well, it had a very kind of fractured
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majority of it was filmed in spring
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So similarities between Friday the 13th
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Although I imagine that the director,
Scott Casilla Jr., has been very honest

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about the fact that he made this because
horror movies made money. They're a

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great way of breaking into the industry.

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Oh, I was just going to say, see, I
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similarities to Friday the 13th. I mean,
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but it just feels like a different movie
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storyline link or anything but i was
getting hints of the redeemer you know

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late 70s yeah that's the movie i would
you know most liking it too although i

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don't think satan's blade is quite as
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redeemer well definitely or class
reunion massacre as it's known over here

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the states yeah

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I think part of the reason, I think,
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Crazy Ralph character, which you've got
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later, and also the fantastic scene
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his mother, his elderly mother.

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Which are kind of those kind of Crazy
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later which you could be tempted to say,
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if the makers of Friday the 13th Part II
actually ripped off that, which is the

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final girl played by Stephanie Steele,
is hiding under the bed,

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very much like Amy Steele's character in
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But, of course, I mean, as I mentioned,
the film itself, I think it was shot

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around about spring, well, during spring
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they were very worried about the snow
melting. In fact, they had to shovel

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to actually, because the snow started
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shovel snow to keep the wintry look.

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But apparently the film was completed in
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and there was a cast screening somewhere
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Surprisingly, well, surprisingly and
unsurprisingly, the film didn't get

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up because I think probably elsewhere on
the disc, I believe that the director

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is going to be talking about the film,
but he mentions about showing it to

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Warner Brothers and, you know, with a
view of them picking it up for

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distribution. Now, of course, at this
time, I mean, putting it into historical

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context, at this time in 1980, with the
success of Friday the 13th, you would

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have thought this time would have been
ripe for a film like this to be picked

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and put out by a distributor, certainly
many slasher movies from this time were

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negative pick -ups by independents that
were put out by majors all looking to

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get a slice of the action, for what I
better term, obviously Paramount Friday

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the 13th, and some majors were making
slasher movies themselves.

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But as much as I like Satan's Blade,
it's not... It probably... I can see why

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major didn't pick this up and put money
behind it. It's not...

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It doesn't have that polished veneer.

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I don't know if many people would say
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compared to Satan's Blade.

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And this is another, I guess you'd call
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cross. I guess they're just throwing one
thick here to get the film started.

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I'll give you this, Justin. The girls in
pants thing is very Friday the 13th.

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Well, yes. I mean, there's an awful lot
of nudity as well. I mean, I think, you

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know, certainly a lot topless. And it
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the cast were hired and were encouraged
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got into the casting office.

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again isn't shy about the fact that um
this was uh you know it's a flash a

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horror movie it was made um to
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friday 13th but certainly halloween um
and i think the supernatural angle is

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probably inspired by by halloween um uh
this kind of idea of the boogeyman uh

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coming to to get the uh get the kids and
surprisingly i mean i always always

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thought originally quite surprising that
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that the slash movie boom took quite a
while to go after the success of

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Halloween. But, of course, Halloween...

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was released late in 1978, and the way
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in the States was that they were on kind
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so Halloween didn't really build up
ahead of steam until into 1979.

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So by the time it became a major, major
independent hit, the filmmakers started

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to take notice. So the kind of real boom
time for slash movies was like the

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1980s.

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making a movie in 1979 through 1980 and
reaching a saturation point by 1981,

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which is part of the reason why films
like Satan's Blade possibly didn't get

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release that they possibly hoped for
because there was such a glut and

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saturation point to slash movies by this
time.

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So it didn't get... My understanding, it
got...

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It didn't get a cinema release in the
United States, but it got translated, or

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dubbed, I believe, into Spanish and
Yugoslavian, of all things.

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interview I've seen said that the film

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was released to Yugoslavian drive -ins.
Now, I didn't even know that Yugoslavia

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had drive -ins, but maybe they do.

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But I've seen a poster, the Spanish or
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poster, for Satan's Blade in Spanish,
and it quite shamelessly rips off, well,

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it rips off, just uses the famous
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of the killer holding the scalped woman
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So the film itself kind of disappeared
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although it did get a release on, I
think, Prism video in 1984, and they

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put out something like 15 ,000 copies.

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It was the Prism label here in the
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did see a small, a very small drive -in
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Not very many, but I do know that it was
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places. I believe they were using, I'm
not sure if you've seen the art, but

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basically a hand coming out of the water
holding a knife.

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I saw that on an ad bill a few years
back.

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Okay, interesting.

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Thank you.

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Here's the sort of mother and son owning
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that goes unexplained, which is one of
the many quirks of low -budget

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filmmaking.

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It's also The Sun. Well, he's listed as
Richard Taker. No, sorry, not

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Richard Taker, as Duncan Mackler in the
credits.

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But from the interview, I've read with
Richard Taker, who was hired to be...

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the editor assistant.

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He also plays the troll killer coming up
later in the... The dream sequence.

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Yes, this is him. So that's what he says
in his interview. So that's why I'm

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taking possibly they just used a
different name on the credits to make

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look bigger.

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But this is one of the joys of early 80s
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slasher movies, these kind of old ladies
in places, giving slightly

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bizarre performances.

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Definitely a Nailgun Massacre or The
Mutilator type.

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Yeah, I was getting a Mutilator vibe off
of the old lady in the grocery shop.

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Yeah, because you're a big fan of those
as well, aren't you, Nathan?

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Oh, yes.

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I was thinking Noggin Massacre before
Joseph mentioned it, but I think you're

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right about the mutilator too.

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And it always makes me laugh, this,
because it's kind of like the worst

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platter in the world, isn't it? It
doesn't deter the customers, though. I

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these girls are quite willing to move
into the murder cabin the day after the

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murders. Surely it would be taped off by
the police, surely.

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She's sort of the, I guess you'd call
her the George Kennedy from just before

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dawn here. Like, don't go in there.

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There's murders happening here. And
they're like, eh, who cares? We're going

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have fun anyway.

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Yeah. It's a half -arsed attempt to
scrape the blood off the wall. What

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typically happens in these types of
movies.

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Well, it is funny, isn't it? Especially
as they were kind of, not only were they

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bank robbers, they were murderers as
well. So they killed two women at the

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and they were murdered themselves.

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But, you know, this is a slasher movie.
It reminds me also of Honeymoon Horror a

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little bit. That idea of couples
checking into a resort and then being

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off one by one by a killer.

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There is a recent... series of films
that came out not too long ago.

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The names escape me. The sequel was
called Bereavement, and the first one,

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it Malevolence?

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Okay, yeah.

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They used sort of a similar thing with
thieves going to a house and then

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murdered. It always reminded me of
Satan's Blade a little bit.

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Yeah, yeah. I can see that, definitely.

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This guy playing Al, by the way, sorry,
Justin, is it Thomas Q is his name? The

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actor with the mustache?

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Yeah. And he's also co -wrote the
script.

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So, yeah, everyone on the film had sort
of four or five functions or roles in

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putting the film together, obviously.
Which is typical for low -budget films.

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Yeah. Actors hold boom mics and other
actors go fetch coffee, et cetera, et

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cetera. The magic behind it.

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Well, I think one of the kind of the
quirks, well, not the quirks, but I

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many of the people that have been
interviewed about Sessions Blade said

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Scott Castillo is an enigma, I think is
possibly a good way of putting it, as a

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possibly slightly eccentric character.
But he was a very shrewd businessman and

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one of, obviously, it's a stroke of
genius, this idea of hiring cabins in

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mountains where you're not going to be
disturbed and what you do is you double

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up the location as a place. for all the
actors and crew to sleep in as well.

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So it's a great, great way of doing
that. And I think it was all shot, well,

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without any interference, you know, out
in the middle of nowhere. I think it was

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Big Bear, wasn't it, in California?

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I think the majority of it was filmed.

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Apparently there were some pickup shots
in other places, but it was filmed in

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and around kind of Los Angeles or
outside Los Angeles.

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Kind of trailblazing there. I know a lot
of independent films today do that.

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Our friends who did The Dismembering
Christmas, I believe they rented a cabin

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and basically... the cast and crew slept
in it and filmed on it as well.

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Well, that's what Tommy Faircloth did
with Crinoline Head, the original.

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It's a good way to save money.

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Absolutely. I'm assuming the two cabins,
like cabin number three and cabin

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number four, are the same set, just
redressed, because they do look

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I mean, we have here, which is very much
the classic shot of the van

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full of...

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Well, these aren't really teenagers, are
they? This is kind of where it's

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setting them apart. They're kind of
college age, although I think Stephanie

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Steele was only 19 when she made this,
and we've already seen her with her

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fairly... She's the only one, really,
out of her group of friends, the five or

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six girls or women who distinguish in
any way, shape or form, really. The

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don't. There's no real attempts to paint
any personalities or...

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But having said that, what you do have
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And this is where I think the film
possibly falls down in some ways,

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never stays too dull for too long.
Sometimes it overplays the

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dramatics, the soap opera dramatics
between the two couples, especially

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Tom Biagioni, if that's how I pronounce
his name, and his slightly dowdy wife

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and grumpy wife, at the expense of
actually... fleshing out the characters

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the other cabin.

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It's kind of a rare example of a film
that uses padding, but it sort of works.

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I mean, this is not a very long movie,
but it's obvious that a lot of this is

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padding with the couple just kind of
wandering around, and when you get to

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like the dream sequences, it's obvious
padding, but for some reason it kind of

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lends this film the charm that it has,
in my opinion.

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Yeah, no, no, absolutely. I mean, it's
also interesting to see a film that has

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kind of what is kind of older characters
in it.

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Certainly, you know, many of the films
that followed the success of Halloween

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and Friday the 13th were very much kind
of the late older teenagers.

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Although obviously there is a kind of
the cliche of the overage, you know, 30

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year old playing an 18 year old in slash
movies.

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Now that you mention it, Justin, this
kind of also has a feel like The Slayer,

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where it has the older characters.

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It has that kind of feel to it as well.

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No, absolutely.

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I mean, my understanding is most of the
cast were from, they all knew each other

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from, I think it was Mesa College, which
I presume is in California somewhere.

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Because the film, unlike many slasher
movies at the time, was shot on 35mm.

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which was many of the cast and crew, you
know, I've had a friend of mine

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called Lunchmeat has interviewed a
number of them on my Hysteria Lives

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and they all thought, they were all
actually attracted to the project partly

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because it's 35mm, so they kind of
expected it to be this kind of big

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movie because they thought that nobody
in their right mind would shoot a low

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-budget snasher movie on 35mm.

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You know, they didn't think...

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So a lot of the money for the movie must
have gone on the expense of shooting on

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35mm.

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To be honest, although this Blu -ray
looks fantastic and it's going to be the

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best movie ever looks, I'm sure, I don't
know if I can really tell if it was

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shot on 35mm as opposed to 16mm.

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What about you guys?

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It looks like it was possibly shot on 16
and processed to 35.

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Because, I mean, you know, it carries
with it a lot of the pops and cracks and

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grains that would, you know, happen with
that kind of, you know, blowing it up

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like that.

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I mean, the lighting in certain scenes
in the interiors, it can be quite

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lifeless and dull, which doesn't give it
a 35mm feel.

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A lot of overexposure on the snow and
the sunlight.

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I mean, it almost doesn't match
something standard,

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rich 35mm to me.

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Having said that, I mean, some of the
exteriors are spectacular looking.

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I mean, it's a nice advert for Big Bear
Lake, wherever that is.

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It's sort of in the Los Angeles area, I
know. But, yeah, they've got a great

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location there.

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I was going to say, this character,
well, this actor's called Paul Batson,

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like, this kind of reminds me of the
Crazy Ralph character, although he's not

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crazy as such in this.

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But he obviously gives in the mornings.
Now, he was a make -up, he did the make

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-up on the film.

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And he had his own maker company, Wuchi
Industries. Apparently, he made lots of

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prosthetic rubber noses and scars and
such.

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Apparently, he passed away a few years
back.

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But it was his troll mask they used in
the dream sequence a little bit later

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Yeah, I quite like that makeup,
actually. It reminds me a tiny bit of

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Eastman makeup in Anthropophagus, the
Joe D 'Amato movie from 1980.

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Yeah, no, absolutely.

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I mean, it's cheap and effective, isn't
it? I mean, this is one of the things

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that I've seen time and time again
people say about Satan's Blade, is

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for all its shortcomings, I mean, there
are quite a few, it still quite actually

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has quite disturbing patches, and the
sequence coming up with the first murder

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sequence was kind of designed really, I
mean, you could say cynically, to kill

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off...

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to get a double stabbing, as it were,
for killing off the girls once and then

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doing it again later in the movie.

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But as a nightmare sequence, it's
actually quite chilling.

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And certainly the murders, when they
come, eventually are quite brutal. I

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you could argue it may be better off
spacing the murders out a little bit

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as you did in, say, something like
Friday the 13th. But again, this film

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made... In tandem with Friday the 13th,
and certainly one of the joys for me is

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watching some of these movies before the
whole kind of

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clichés are being set in place.

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The programme and everything is kind of
like, because sometimes these films

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don't do what you expect them to do, and
that's why they can still catch you off

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guard.

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No, structurally... Sorry. Go ahead. Go
ahead, Eric. I was just going to say,

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structurally, it follows the template of
probably the burning more closely in

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that the burning takes a long time to
get going and then kills off loads of

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characters in one fell swoop, which is
kind of what Satan's Blade does here.

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I mean, the burning is another film that
possibly could do with spacing out the

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killings a bit more.

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Yeah.

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One thing I was going to bring up,
obviously before this Blu -ray was being

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released, this movie was very rare, and
VHS copies were kind of few and far in

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between.

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I do know that a few years back it would
sell quite well on eBay and

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Amazon.

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Nathan, I think you had this on VHS at
one point.

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Obviously,

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if you had it, you sold it. Did you get
a decent price for it?

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Yeah, I did. I don't remember exactly
how much I got, but it was maybe about

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Wow.

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I spent one whole pound for my VHF
puppy.

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Well, I was about to say, when I paid
for mine, I got it for like five bucks.

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So I turned a very good profit on it.

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I was going to mention the sequence with
the drinking, the Jack Daniels.

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I think both actors have got quite a lot
of charisma, and I think they were very

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good friends during the cast of this
film.

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But apparently, as a little bit of
trivia, it's not actually whiskey in

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What they did was they decanted the
whiskey into another jar and filled it

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with tea.

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So to make it look like they were
knocking back lots of whiskey.

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They're very good at pretending to
drink.

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Well, no, absolutely.

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But apparently this was one of the
sequences which wasn't shot, according

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to some of the interviews I've read,
that wasn't shot with the director.

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I think Terry Camp, who did the
cinematography on the film, did a second

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directing, I guess.

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And apparently this was one that was...

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improvised.

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So it was kind of, you know, he said he
helped out the director quite a lot. And

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apparently Scott Casillo was the, you
know, talk about him a little bit here

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that, you know, the genesis of this film
was that he really wanted to make a

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film. I think he'd made eight millimeter
movies. And he, as I said before, knew

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like many, many other people.

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I think it's Roger Corman once said the
best way to break into the movie

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business. I think it's Roger Corman.

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somebody along that ilk, the best way to
break into the movie business is to get

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a load of teenagers into a house and
bump them off one by one.

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It's a great way of doing that, and many
people have done that and seen it as a

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stepping stone into bigger and better
things, although obviously I don't say

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that because obviously I'm a fan of the
slasher movies, so the more the merrier.

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But apparently he persuaded a friend of
his who just inherited quite a lot of

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money.

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to invest in the film and apparently his
friends had just bought an expensive

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car and he persuaded him to send it back
and they used that money to get the

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film going.

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00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:24,880
But I imagine there's many, many stories
like that with low -budget fashion

430
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,600
movies where, I mean, you hear about
filmmakers today who just get loads of

431
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,800
credit cards and max them out just to
get their film made.

432
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:38,070
And I'm glad he did, because otherwise,
if he hadn't, we wouldn't have Satan's

433
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:40,310
Blade today. So, obviously, that's good.

434
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:44,610
I like these interiors here with the
sort of brick walls. It makes it look

435
00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:47,410
they're in a basement or in a shed or
something.

436
00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:49,050
They probably were, yeah.

437
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:50,490
Well, they are.

438
00:28:52,390 --> 00:28:56,270
But, yes, I kind of wonder. Again,
there's a kind of hint there potentially

439
00:28:56,270 --> 00:28:57,270
going to be some lesbian sex.

440
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:58,790
And, of course, the kind of...

441
00:28:59,050 --> 00:29:03,750
I'm not suggesting they should be, but
this is kind of filling you up. And I

442
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:06,710
wonder if that was kind of doing that as
a kind of teaser to hint that would

443
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:09,150
come, as it were, but it never did.

444
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:16,950
Justin, in your old Hysteria Lives
review for Satan's Blade, you mentioned,

445
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:19,790
you make the little quip that...

446
00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:26,220
There was mention of a possible sequel
to Satan's Blade that never

447
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,800
I haven't done much reading on it. Do
you know anything else about it?

448
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:33,940
Well, the film ends, doesn't it? I can't
remember exactly what it says until we

449
00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:34,960
see it. The legend continues.

450
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,240
The legend continues.

451
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,820
Didn't they shoot some sort of... I read
somewhere that... The director shot...

452
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:46,320
Apparently there's two Satan's Blade 2
trailers out there. A fan made one and

453
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,580
one that the director made himself as
well.

454
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,340
but there's no actual film to go with
it.

455
00:29:51,879 --> 00:29:55,580
He says in an interview, I think it was
last year or the year before, that he

456
00:29:55,580 --> 00:30:00,120
was thinking of doing a crowdfunding
campaign to try and raise funds for

457
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,020
Blade 2, but I don't think that ever
materialized.

458
00:30:03,020 --> 00:30:06,240
Apparently, according to him, although
it hasn't appeared, as far as I know, on

459
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,240
any of the special editions, it may well
be on this Arrow edition, because

460
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,760
obviously we're recording this ahead of
time for obvious reasons, that he claims

461
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,440
he shot seven minutes worth of promo
footage for a sequel with the existing

462
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,070
cast, although it's quite difficult to
see how, and that not many of them

463
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:25,150
survive, obviously given that it's a
slasher movie.

464
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:26,510
None of them survive.

465
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:30,030
How they would have appeared in a sequel
unless it's all in flashback. But

466
00:30:30,030 --> 00:30:34,590
again, this scene here of the troll
killings, as it's been dubbed, the dream

467
00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:37,430
troll killings, is very effective, I
think.

468
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:41,370
It's genuinely nightmarish.

469
00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:45,850
It's shot through this strange filter,
isn't it? It's kind of like with that

470
00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:47,170
kind of...

471
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,500
kind of haze around the things.

472
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:57,480
I like the trick of showing the shadow
on the wall of the

473
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,420
troll killer stabbing. It's a good trick
to use when you don't have the money to

474
00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:08,640
invest in special effects. You show the
pantomime on the wall, and it actually

475
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,280
makes a very good startling effect.

476
00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:17,210
Absolutely. And here we've got the old
trick, which was utilised in, I mean,

477
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:18,710
many slasher movies have you used?

478
00:31:19,030 --> 00:31:23,290
Well, this always reminds me of the
sorority house massacre or slumber party

479
00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:27,930
massacre or any massacre of any kind
where boys scare girls by peering in

480
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:30,550
through the window with a mask on. And
the girls all run around in their

481
00:31:30,550 --> 00:31:32,650
nightwear and scream.

482
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:36,800
Absolutely, and here they're obviously
pretending to be some kind of yeti

483
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:43,480
monster. The woman in the lodge who gave
the very long, rambling

484
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:50,300
story of the giant man who was driven up
into the mountains by people

485
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:51,300
moving onto his territory.

486
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:54,500
He's obviously pretending to be that.

487
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,240
Apparently, I was reading, again, they
had a great time filming this, and they

488
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,240
said...

489
00:31:59,370 --> 00:32:02,790
Wasn't it cold when you were out running
around in your negligee? But they said

490
00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:07,330
they were so young and so excited to be
making a movie that they just had a wild

491
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:08,330
time.

492
00:32:08,670 --> 00:32:12,650
And I imagine you could probably make a
really interesting, fun, affectionate

493
00:32:12,650 --> 00:32:16,950
little movie about shooting a flash
movie in 1980 with all the fun and

494
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:20,370
must have gone on behind the scenes
with, like, you know, teenagers and

495
00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:21,470
-somethings all together in the cabin.

496
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:25,970
It's not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea
for a slasher.

497
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:32,650
People going out to locations from 80s
slasher films to document it and then

498
00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:36,350
up getting killed in various ways, like
in the same films.

499
00:32:36,770 --> 00:32:38,670
Well, there you go. Let's copyright
that.

500
00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:41,850
Yeah. You heard it here first.

501
00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:43,430
Yeah.

502
00:32:44,909 --> 00:32:50,190
But, yeah, it's kind of another
masterstroke, really. The idea of

503
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:54,690
here was kind of, you know, although
there's some limitations with the camera

504
00:32:54,690 --> 00:33:00,090
work, you can't fail to be wowed by the
snowy exterior.

505
00:33:00,370 --> 00:33:01,870
I mean, it's pretty spectacular, isn't
it?

506
00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:09,090
And I'm just going to mention talking
about some of the cast and crew.

507
00:33:09,290 --> 00:33:15,410
I mean, I think this guy, apparently Al,
he looked a bit like Tom Selleck,

508
00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:17,670
didn't he? I think I heard someone quip.

509
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:19,850
Or Sam Elliott.

510
00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:21,170
Or Sam Elliott, yes.

511
00:33:21,890 --> 00:33:25,530
And Tom Piaggioni.

512
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,380
here, who's kind of his best friend in
this, he thought that they obviously had

513
00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:34,180
a good time together. And Tom, if you're
joining, I don't know if you know that

514
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:39,840
he went on to be a Neil Diamond
impersonator for 12 years. Yes, I read

515
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,220
you can totally see it, particularly in
the hair.

516
00:33:42,429 --> 00:33:47,130
Absolutely, yeah. So he was kind of, I
think I've read in the interview that

517
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:51,290
I've got on my site from Lunchmeat, he
sort of says that, again, he went to see

518
00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:57,270
this film when it, probably at the
showing in 1982, and he said he left, he

519
00:33:57,270 --> 00:34:00,650
walked out before the credits rolled. He
was kind of, obviously wasn't that

520
00:34:00,650 --> 00:34:02,350
pleased with it. He said there were
some...

521
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,540
Shots that were used in this, according
to him, there were shots of some nudity

522
00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:10,480
which the actresses were told weren't
going to be used.

523
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,639
However, that's the case. I mean, it's
well over 30 years ago that he would

524
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:15,639
seen this.

525
00:34:15,739 --> 00:34:18,880
But he said he hadn't seen it since he
didn't even realise it got a release.

526
00:34:19,179 --> 00:34:21,960
And then he had said some of his friends
phoned him up.

527
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,260
And we're laughing down the phone and
calling him Tony, and he realised that

528
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:32,880
they'd seen the film, and he went out
and found a copy in a video store and

529
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,239
rented it and took it home and pretended
he lost it so he could keep a copy of

530
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,239
it.

531
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,139
So, as I say, many of the cast and crew
didn't realise.

532
00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:45,760
I mean, the film sat on the shelf for
four years, basically, pretty much, from

533
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,000
the start of shooting to actually being
released on video.

534
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:52,270
Apart from, as you say, Joseph, it may
have got a very, very limited kind of

535
00:34:52,270 --> 00:34:53,510
drive in release at some point.

536
00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:57,090
But yes, I read an interview.

537
00:34:57,350 --> 00:35:02,970
It was a review slash interview where I
don't remember who it was, but he said

538
00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:07,790
that he had sold a copy to five or six.

539
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:12,910
separate drive -in locations across the
states. And I think it got like, like a

540
00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:18,090
one night showing a couple of them. Uh,
it was double billed with, um, I can't

541
00:35:18,090 --> 00:35:21,130
remember the film off the top of my
head, but, uh, he said that.

542
00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:26,560
It was not in theaters, but just at
drive -ins in particular.

543
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:30,820
But whether or not that's true, I don't
know, because it may have just been an

544
00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:35,080
actor. I don't know if it was like an
official capacity, like a producer or

545
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,520
anything. And this has been years since
I've read that, but I do remember that.

546
00:35:40,549 --> 00:35:43,230
One thing I was wondering as well, if
it's true, I don't know, Justin, if you

547
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:47,030
can clarify this, is that the shooting
schedule was 33 days, which seems quite

548
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:50,210
long for a film of Satan's Blade's ilk.

549
00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:55,170
I mean, that would be more of a Friday
the 13th type shooting schedule, I would

550
00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:56,170
think, no?

551
00:35:56,870 --> 00:36:00,310
Yeah, you would have thought so. I mean,
I read that they only, I think the

552
00:36:00,310 --> 00:36:02,390
director himself said they only had one
day off.

553
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:04,290
Yeah, it was Easter or something, yeah.

554
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:09,150
Well, I mean, a lot of these movies with
the low budget, you know, they'll film,

555
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:13,010
you know, a whole straight day and run
out of money and they'll have to like

556
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:16,310
basically it's kind of like living
paycheck to paycheck you have to wait

557
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:19,870
next paycheck to come in so you can you
know get more supplies so that that

558
00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:23,870
could have been the reason why it had
such a long shooting schedule yeah i

559
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:26,530
suppose a good example of that would be
something like the evil dead which again

560
00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:30,590
like satan's blade had a very long
protracted production history before it

561
00:36:30,590 --> 00:36:34,150
finally got released i mean they were
filming for you know on and off for two

562
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:41,030
three years for that one yeah I think
Tom Biagiorno said that he never saw

563
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:42,890
than 100 pages of the script at a time.

564
00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:47,630
And he said that the scenes were written
on the day.

565
00:36:48,850 --> 00:36:51,170
100 pages is quite a lot. 100 pages?

566
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:53,470
It's like two minutes per page.

567
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:56,650
Is it two minutes per page or one minute
per page? It's usually like a minute to

568
00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:57,810
two minutes per page.

569
00:36:58,330 --> 00:37:02,290
That should be like two whole scripts
right there. That's like a Quentin

570
00:37:02,290 --> 00:37:03,290
Tarantino movie.

571
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:05,970
Quentin Tarantino, Satan's Blade.

572
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:09,570
Well, maybe things got changed along the
way, but he said, or maybe his memory's

573
00:37:09,570 --> 00:37:12,950
a bit hazy, but he said that he got the
impression that Scott had a vague idea

574
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:17,750
of what he wanted the film to be like
and scenes were being written on the

575
00:37:17,830 --> 00:37:20,490
which is possibly why it took quite a
long time to film it.

576
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:26,170
He said that maybe there was a completed
script somewhere, but he never saw it.

577
00:37:26,770 --> 00:37:30,370
And the reason he remembers that, he
said he would have kept the script

578
00:37:30,370 --> 00:37:33,390
he always kept completed scripts when he
worked on them, and he said he never

579
00:37:33,390 --> 00:37:34,390
had one for Satan's Blade.

580
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:40,690
He also mentioned that most of the night
sequences were shot night for day,

581
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:46,810
which certainly isn't unusual for a low
-budget slasher movie or any kind of low

582
00:37:46,810 --> 00:37:47,810
-budget movie.

583
00:37:48,070 --> 00:37:50,670
Night for day or day for night? Oh, day
for night, sorry.

584
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:53,350
Night for day would be difficult,
wouldn't it?

585
00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:54,610
Yeah, it would.

586
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:58,870
I mean, actually, I don't think they do
too bad a job in this because I've seen

587
00:37:58,870 --> 00:38:03,970
some films, like some of the old Hammer
films, which look very clearly...

588
00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:08,900
their night sequences, you can very
clearly see that they are actually shot

589
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:13,020
during the day. So I don't think it does
too badly at all in this.

590
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,680
No.

591
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:19,200
This sequence here, what I find unusual
about the, I suppose you can call her

592
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,840
the final girl, Stephanie, is that she's
normally the type of girl who'd be

593
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,860
killed first because she's quite
sexually assertive and she wants to be a

594
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:29,280
homewrecker, for want of a better word.

595
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:32,100
She's trying to lure this married man
away from his wife.

596
00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:36,510
And yet she ends up being the final
girl, which, again, is very much going

597
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:40,350
against the grain of the traditional
slasher movie victims and heroines.

598
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:44,870
Absolutely. I mean, there's a little bit
more about her. The actress, Stephanie

599
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:51,210
Leithfield, is another person that
Lunchmeet interviewed on my website. I

600
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:55,050
she says she got involved with Satan's
Blade, which was an Adam newspaper open

601
00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:56,050
casting for a movie.

602
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:59,630
And it was actually Method City College.
It was in San Diego.

603
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,020
And she'd been majoring in drama and
obviously knew she wanted to be an

604
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:08,260
And I think she was 19 years old at the
time, so she was very excited.

605
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,760
She stipulated she wouldn't do any
nudity for the film, which is obviously

606
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,740
we don't see any nudity from her.

607
00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:21,420
She actually said that Tom Q, the guy
who wrote the screenplay, she actually

608
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:25,260
fell in love with him, and they were in
a relationship during the shoot. So,

609
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,960
again, it goes to show their kind of
romantic involvement on these kind of

610
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,520
films, and they kind of ended up in a
relationship for quite a long time,

611
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:33,200
although she said they'd kind of since
lost touch.

612
00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:38,100
But she acted until about the age of 25,
and she became sort of disillusioned,

613
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:41,280
like I imagine many young actresses do
in Los Angeles.

614
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,480
She said she didn't want to be at
waiting tables until she was 70.

615
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:51,340
So she moved to Minnesota with her
husband and became a full -time mom. And

616
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:53,680
was what she's doing now. I'm not
entirely sure. I mean, that interview

617
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,880
coming up for 10 years old.

618
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,120
But now, at the time, she had claimed
fame, but she plays and teaches

619
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Scrabble.

620
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,220
I didn't even know you'd play
tournaments, Gravel. I didn't know. And

621
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:07,400
living off of it. That's interesting.

622
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,560
Yeah. But I think she's really good in
this.

623
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,300
She is, and her character is likable,
even though, as I said, she's a non

624
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,800
-traditional final girl. I think she is
a likable character.

625
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,360
Yeah.

626
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:20,940
She's, I'd say, human.

627
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:25,500
You don't get a lot of that in these
films. They're kind of exaggerated.

628
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,340
It feels kind of down home and down to
earth, sort of.

629
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,400
Yeah. She's not painted as the sort of
the goody two -shoes like Laurie Strode

630
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,200
or as much as I love Laurie Strode.

631
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,760
I've often criticized – I don't
criticize the flasher film for it, but I

632
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:50,480
said that I find the side characters a
lot more interesting than the main girls

633
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,940
because the main girls, like you said,
are usually just kind of too goody

634
00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:57,440
and all that stuff. But I like her that
she's kind of flawed.

635
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:04,180
Now, in this scene, they're talking
about the previous crime that, Justin,

636
00:41:04,180 --> 00:41:08,040
were mentioning earlier. It was maybe 10
or 15 years ago, and the older cop says

637
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,380
that it was his first case and he'd been
here for five months. So are we to

638
00:41:11,380 --> 00:41:15,720
assume that he was possessed by the
spirit of the woods and he was the one

639
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:16,720
the killing back then?

640
00:41:17,420 --> 00:41:21,000
Yeah, I don't know. To mirror what's
happening now with the younger cop?

641
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:23,200
I mean, very possibly.

642
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,160
I mean, whether or not, again, whether
or not that was thought through.

643
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:31,910
I, you know, whether or not the, say, if
the script was being rewritten during

644
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:35,090
filming, whether or not they'd even
decided who the killer was at the

645
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:37,670
you know, when they started the film, I
don't know. I don't know.

646
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:42,390
But I think it's kind of an interesting
possibility, isn't it? Which would lead

647
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:44,930
it, well, lend itself open to a sequel,
wouldn't it?

648
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:46,388
Definitely, yeah.

649
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:50,850
What were we, 37 years? 37 years? God,
is it? No, 27, 37?

650
00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:58,490
36. 36 years later from when the film
was made, you know, obviously most,

651
00:41:58,550 --> 00:42:01,590
as you say, all the cast and crew, well,
not cast and crew, most of the cast

652
00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:04,430
characters are dead, so you wouldn't see
them returning. But I think it would be

653
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:05,770
quite fun to go back to the mountains.

654
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:11,560
Especially as the director mentions that
I think, because there were two special

655
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,240
knives that they had produced for this,
the two essentially Satan's blades, and

656
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:20,420
one of them went missing, which, as they
enigmatically say, means it's still on

657
00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:21,420
the mountain somewhere.

658
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:27,380
This atmosphere, the snow, reminds me a
lot of another slasher film from a

659
00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:33,360
similar time frame, Ghost Keeper. You've
seen it, right? Yeah, it's a Canadian

660
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,360
film.

661
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:36,620
Yeah. It's quite an unusual one, yeah.

662
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:37,900
Yeah.

663
00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:42,180
I think it kind of pre -empts... I mean,
I think going back to the kind of

664
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:47,480
Stephanie Lee Stills character is,
again, they have the reason partly that

665
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,560
kind of reminds me of Amy Stills in
Friday the 13th Part 2, and it goes all

666
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,560
coincidentally is that Amy Stills and
Adrian King, actually, in the original

667
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,340
Friday the 13th, when neither of them
were Laurie Strode's, were they? They

668
00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:00,620
both kind of sort of...

669
00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:07,220
sexually, not precocious, but they were
more almost like male characters,

670
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,280
weren't they?

671
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:11,980
But it's insinuated that they're both
having relationships with the head camp

672
00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,880
counsellor in both movies.

673
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:21,660
Yeah, so it's kind of interesting to see
how they use her character as being

674
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:26,560
sexually, not aggressive, but certainly
she's not shy of stepping forward,

675
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,680
really.

676
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,060
But, yeah, it also kind of preempts
possibly another film that, you know,

677
00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:39,040
snowy film like Sandy Kubrick's The
Shining, the Stephen King adaptation.

678
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:43,920
And no way am I suggesting The Satan's
Blade. I'm going to have to pull you up

679
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,920
on that one, I'm afraid.

680
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,400
No, but I think the idea of having a
kind of a snowy wasteland, which

681
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,500
is. Without getting too symbolic about
it, everything is dead and cold, isn't

682
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:56,960
it? Everything is kind of frozen and
cold.

683
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:01,920
Although they actually say they're only
about a mile away from town, and they

684
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,780
actually walk to town, don't they, at
some point. So to be honest, they could

685
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:05,780
run away.

686
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:12,700
But the idea of isolation in a snowy
cabin is the perfect setup for a

687
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:14,120
slasher movie, definitely.

688
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,880
It's one that really doesn't get
utilized as much as it should.

689
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,120
Well, there was rumors that a possible
sequel idea to the Friday the 13th

690
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:30,500
from 2009 was to set it in a snowy
landscape. Wasn't there? Yeah, fans have

691
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:35,740
always been clamoring for a Jason in the
snow, and I'm really shocked they

692
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:38,440
haven't done that. They've sent him to
space, to hell.

693
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:41,800
Why not let him trudge through the snow
for one film?

694
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:46,050
For some reason, I had a flashback or,
you know, suddenly my head was just

695
00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:48,450
Mariah Carey doing that Christmas
single.

696
00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:49,810
I don't know why.

697
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:54,850
Well, I went for Christmas with you.
Yeah, but Jason instead of Mariah Carey.

698
00:44:54,850 --> 00:44:55,850
That would be fun.

699
00:44:57,470 --> 00:45:00,550
But, yeah, I mean, there's plenty. I
mean, there's films like, I know,

700
00:45:00,610 --> 00:45:01,790
you love Iced, don't you?

701
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:04,570
Oh, I'm a huge fan of Iced.

702
00:45:04,810 --> 00:45:05,810
Lisa Loring.

703
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:09,680
Yeah. I can't believe I didn't remember
that one. That's another Snowbound

704
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,800
slasher. Yeah. I mean, that goes into...
Although very tonally different from

705
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,800
Satan's Blade.

706
00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:21,440
Yeah, Satan's Blade is, although, you
know, there's joy in the kind of some

707
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,180
acting. I mean, there's some good acting
in this and there's some quite, you

708
00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:29,220
know, nothing quite approaching Jodie
Drakey in House on Sorority Row. But

709
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:34,440
of the incidental kind of female
characters in it who don't have much to

710
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,340
apart from take the tops off,
unfortunately, are certainly not

711
00:45:38,340 --> 00:45:39,600
actresses in the world.

712
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,480
But, you know, there's certainly a joy.

713
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,980
in all of that. But yeah, by the time
you got to ICE, which I think was it,

714
00:45:50,220 --> 00:45:53,280
Nathan? 89, I think. I think it was 88.

715
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,860
Okay, well, it's late 80s. Yeah, it's
late 80s for sure.

716
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:03,380
For some reason, I thought it was 87,
but... Well, yeah, now that I think of

717
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:07,000
it's wall -to -wall mullets in ICE,
which would suggest 87, probably.

718
00:46:08,999 --> 00:46:12,160
Because by that point, you see, in this
kind of film, they've still got that

719
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,680
kind of 70s, not 70s hangover, but it's
kind of like there's a serious nature to

720
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,480
it, although it's quite cheesy in a
charming kind of way. By the time you

721
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,680
Iced, the filmmakers are very much aware
of the clichés and the tropes of the

722
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,680
slasher movie.

723
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:30,040
And then, of course, you get into films
like Jack Frost, don't you, like Killer

724
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:35,440
Snowman and all those. In Iced, you have
the killer hidden inside a snowman.

725
00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:37,140
I was going to mention that.

726
00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:42,730
Satan's Blade may approach some
hamminess from time to time, but I don't

727
00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:47,050
it ever reaches the height of the killer
using a snowman as a hiding spot.

728
00:46:47,550 --> 00:46:53,210
No, what was that one, the early 2000s
one, the one with the snow... Shredder?

729
00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:56,850
Shredder, that was it, yes. That was
another one that was very similar to

730
00:46:57,010 --> 00:47:01,790
Not a bad film either. I don't think
anything will approach the cheesiness of

731
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:05,530
1985's Blood Tracks, though, for
Snowbound. Oh, yeah, that's another good

732
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:09,450
Slasher movies, which is a hair metal
band shooting a video in Sweden, is it?

733
00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:14,150
Yeah. And coming face -to -face with a
clan of cannibals.

734
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:20,390
Yes, I would love Arrow to pick that up.
That would be a great one to do a

735
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:23,350
commentary for, wouldn't it? It would be
amazing. I love blood tracks.

736
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:26,170
There's just so many levels of love for
blood tracks.

737
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:27,950
I can't even begin to describe them.

738
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:32,330
I think this is where the film, for me,
gets bogged down a little bit in the

739
00:47:32,330 --> 00:47:36,250
soap opera, you know, like these two
characters kind of repairing their

740
00:47:36,250 --> 00:47:38,350
marriage, and it's kind of like, well...

741
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:43,120
You know, that's all very well, but it's
kind of this is a slasher movie, and by

742
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,700
this point, and we're now well over
halfway through, you would have expected

743
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:50,380
to be kicking into gear now with the
slasher.

744
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:54,200
Well, don't you feel sad that, you know,
they're working on repairing their

745
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,420
marriage only to end up dead?

746
00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:59,580
Well, there's a certain pathos to that,
but... I'm totem -osh.

747
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,400
Well, that's the point in these films.
You want to see them die.

748
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:05,800
You don't want to feel sad for their
marriage.

749
00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:09,580
I like sometimes when they flesh them
out.

750
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,300
Nathan's got a heart of gold.

751
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,720
There was one time I was watching
Sleepaway Camp Part 3, and I've

752
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:24,240
on the podcast before, and I was
watching Angela, you know, kill these

753
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:27,480
and it just suddenly dawned on me, you
know, like, that's somebody's daughter.

754
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,460
Like, that's somebody that, you know,
people care about, and now they're going

755
00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:32,460
to be dead.

756
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,020
You do realize you're the only person in
the history of everything, everywhere

757
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:38,020
in the entire universe who's had that
reaction to Sleepaway Camp Part 3.

758
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,620
Well, and I think he makes a pretty good
point. He makes a pretty good point,

759
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:46,820
actually, because a lot of these films
are critic -bashed because, oh, these

760
00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:52,240
characters are stock assembly
characters, but Nathan makes a good

761
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,240
these are people.

762
00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:57,900
One of the best examples is The Dormant
Dirtblood.

763
00:48:58,510 --> 00:49:02,550
um, Daphne Zuniga's character, like her
grandmother is in the hospital and her

764
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:06,730
family is going to visit her and the
killer basically massacres the whole

765
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:11,470
family. And I just can't imagine what
the grandma felt when the grandma was

766
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:13,890
basically told, Oh, none of your
family's showing up. They're all dead.

767
00:49:14,170 --> 00:49:20,530
Yeah. And, and not to mention that
Daphne Zuniga's family had nothing to do

768
00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:22,450
anything. They just showed up just to
die.

769
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:26,500
Yeah, I mean, not to spoil the movie,
and I'm not going to spoil anything, but

770
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:29,560
when you find out the motive, there was
no need to kill any of them.

771
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,800
You show a lot more empathy for these
people than I do. I mean, I can well up

772
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,580
Carrie or maybe the very last scene in
Prom Night, but when it comes to

773
00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:44,040
Sleepaway Camp Part 3, I'm kind of, I
have a heart of stone, I'm afraid.

774
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:51,540
I would say it must be exhausting
watching slasher movies, Nathan, if you

775
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:53,060
empathize with the characters that much.

776
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,560
Yeah. I just put my all into them.

777
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,240
Okay. I guess people get different
things out of these films.

778
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,080
So they do work on not just a cellular
level.

779
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,700
That's not to say I can't – I mean, I
love slasher movies. It's my favorite.

780
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:13,440
every once in a while, I feel like I
just get in this mood where I'm just

781
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
thinking, oh, man, like beyond the
movie, I guess.

782
00:50:17,740 --> 00:50:20,740
Yeah, fair enough. Well, let's talk a
bit, the other thing I was going to

783
00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:21,860
mention, another example.

784
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,060
coming back to Satan's Blade and its
comparison to other films. And again, I

785
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:30,640
keep on coming back to these comparisons
for Friday the 13th, and I know they're

786
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,980
incidental, but one of the interesting
things about Satan's Blade is it's,

787
00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:39,640
although we now know who the killer is,
and I think we've already spoiled it, so

788
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,460
hopefully you've already watched the
film and you know the film before

789
00:50:42,460 --> 00:50:48,160
to the commentary, is it's a mystery,
isn't it? It's essentially you don't

790
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,380
So if you're watching fresh for the
first time...

791
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,220
You're having to guess who the killer
is. It's Toyah?

792
00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:59,720
It could be Toyah. Well, we know it's
not Toyah. But is it this hulking

793
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:03,360
man? Is it the supernatural legend? Or
is it somebody who's much more earthly?

794
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:04,980
Is it one of the other characters?

795
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:12,020
And what you get, again, coming back to
the stylistic borrowing from

796
00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:18,240
Halloween, is the point -of -view shot,
which gets used a lot more

797
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:22,740
later on in the film. Although, as we
said many, many times before, Halloween

798
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:25,860
itself wasn't... The Flash movie didn't
start...

799
00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:31,960
start with halloween um you know it was
many films came into the melting pot

800
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,980
that kind of made halloween essentially
and the pov shot that was um so much

801
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:41,360
recognized and so much um signifies uh
kind of the early 80s fashion movie was

802
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,720
kind of used right back from robert
siddermark's kind of spiral staircase

803
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:51,360
know probably even before that stuff
like peeping tom as well exactly exactly

804
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:57,580
but certainly um i'm under no illusions
the reason that satan's blade was made,

805
00:51:57,700 --> 00:52:03,080
and again, going back to what Scott
Costello Jr. said, it was made because

806
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:08,380
wanted to make money, and it was a
surefire way to make money, although

807
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:12,920
or not the film ever did make money, I
honestly don't know.

808
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,420
I mean, one of the interesting things
when I talked about the Halloween,

809
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:17,760
my review is still up, and it's still...

810
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:21,510
it's still kind of disparaging by
saying, you know, that basically it

811
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:24,690
Friday the 13th. And obviously now I
acknowledge publicly that it didn't.

812
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:31,350
But I did get an email from the
director's daughter several years ago

813
00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:35,330
telling me in no uncertain terms it
didn't rip off Friday the 13th. But

814
00:52:35,330 --> 00:52:36,330
certainly...

815
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,260
It borrows a lot. And it had an eye on
the financial cash cow that was

816
00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:43,780
Halloween, which is fair enough, let's
face it.

817
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,580
Movies are not made, most movies are not
made as art.

818
00:52:48,260 --> 00:52:50,760
They're not made to lose money, they're
made to make money.

819
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,900
And I find joy, and I know we all do
collectively in the early 80s slasher

820
00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:01,400
boom, there's something to be loved in
pretty much every early 80s slasher

821
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,300
movie, be they good, bad or ugly.

822
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:10,890
And I would say, you know, Satan's Blade
definitely has grown on me, and I think

823
00:53:10,890 --> 00:53:14,690
it really does ramp up the action
towards the end, doesn't it? I say, or

824
00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:19,170
back to the fact that I would prefer it,
I think it would be a better film if it

825
00:53:19,170 --> 00:53:25,330
was more, if it was paced more evenly,
and you had, you know, like many fashion

826
00:53:25,330 --> 00:53:29,330
movies at the time would employ the kind
of trick of so -and -so's gone out to

827
00:53:29,330 --> 00:53:32,070
fix the generator and doesn't come back,
and so -and -so doesn't do this and

828
00:53:32,070 --> 00:53:33,070
doesn't come back.

829
00:53:33,610 --> 00:53:37,930
But what you have in this is several
kind of mini -massacres, don't you,

830
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:39,670
which I think is just one that's coming
up now.

831
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:43,210
And then you do get the chase scene
towards the end.

832
00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:49,670
Well, if this was filmed in early 1980,
I suggested, then the template hadn't

833
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:53,330
been set in stone at this stage. So, you
know, they really didn't know what

834
00:53:53,330 --> 00:53:56,330
formula to follow if they were trying to
cash in on the slasher movies.

835
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,500
Well, the one thing that I really
appreciate about Satan's Blade and a lot

836
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:06,480
slasher films in particular, and
obviously you three know this about me,

837
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:12,200
I always like the technical stuff, how a
lot of these films share a lot of

838
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:17,940
similar tricks, and certainly Satan's
Blade does that as well.

839
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,640
I think they kind of go above and
beyond, you know, just the general

840
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:28,240
photography, you know, especially
pertaining to the outdoor scenes. I

841
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:33,180
know, as low budget as this film is,
some of the, you know, exteriors are

842
00:54:33,180 --> 00:54:37,640
of the most beautiful I've seen in any
film. And, you know, this being such a

843
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,140
low budget, that's kind of a marvel.

844
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,480
Even in something like Don't Go in the
Woods Alone, they've got some great

845
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,520
exterior shots. Oh, yes.

846
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,560
I definitely agree there.

847
00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:52,180
because they have just the most
spectacular backdrop in which to set

848
00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:53,580
Yeah.

849
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,280
At this point, when you've got the
killer's now moved, well, he's kind of

850
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,240
into the cabin with all the girlfriends.

851
00:55:10,460 --> 00:55:13,240
Again, you don't know who this person
is, do you, at this point? I mean, if

852
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:14,900
you're watching the film afresh, it's
still a mystery.

853
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:20,430
And I kind of guess, I wonder if it was
set up to be, you know, for us to think

854
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:26,370
it was either, you know, Tom Giorgione's
Buongiorno.

855
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:31,030
Just call him Tom. I'll call him Tom.

856
00:55:31,350 --> 00:55:32,209
Very bad.

857
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:33,530
I'm learning Spanish at the moment.

858
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:40,130
I love the shot of the, I think it's the
best shot in the movie, actually, of

859
00:55:40,130 --> 00:55:46,770
the dead, the woman who's been killed
and washing up. It's a split diopter, it

860
00:55:46,770 --> 00:55:49,750
looks like shot, because they're both in
focus and she's in the background and

861
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:50,689
she's in the foreground.

862
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:54,170
I never noticed that before. It's a very
good shot. The actress does a good job

863
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:56,430
of not blinking. I always keep my eyes
on her to see.

864
00:55:56,930 --> 00:56:02,170
Do you remember the blinking corpse at
the start of Zombie Holocaust, which

865
00:56:02,170 --> 00:56:03,170
causes much merriment?

866
00:56:04,090 --> 00:56:07,670
Oh, yes. Don't shoot me, but that shot
was very Brian De Palma.

867
00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:09,150
Kind of nice.

868
00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:11,350
Oh, come on, Sue, really.

869
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:17,270
The film's already been declared as...
The Shining.

870
00:56:17,810 --> 00:56:20,650
Influencing The Shining, so you might as
well call it a big influence on Brian

871
00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:21,910
De Palma as well. Yeah.

872
00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:26,950
I didn't say it influenced The Shining.
I just said it shared a similar locale.

873
00:56:28,779 --> 00:56:32,680
But, yeah, fair enough. But I think also
that kind of split -screen thing with

874
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,620
the focus was very much used in Happy
Birthday to Me as well. Yeah, Halloween

875
00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:43,260
did it as well with the old man sitting
in a chair and the woman in the kitchen

876
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:44,260
in the beginning.

877
00:56:45,490 --> 00:56:49,210
Now, this whole sequence here is
severely truncated on the VHS release

878
00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:51,970
have, like this woman writhing on the
bed after being stabbed is gone

879
00:56:51,970 --> 00:56:56,310
completely. And, you know, huge chunks
of the sequence are gone, which is, you

880
00:56:56,310 --> 00:57:00,490
know, amounts much of the from much of
the three minutes, 35 seconds that was

881
00:57:00,490 --> 00:57:04,510
cut, which I'm still astonished by. I
know it was 1987, but I'm still

882
00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:05,750
that that much was cut from the movie.

883
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,680
Well, back in the time, back in those
days, they were censoring video covers,

884
00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:14,440
weren't they? Right up until relatively
recently.

885
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:20,510
But, yeah, no, they were just cutting
everything out. I think it was Burial

886
00:57:20,510 --> 00:57:25,630
Ground, the Italian zombie movie, I
think was released like a 40 -minute

887
00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:28,430
or something ridiculous like that on
video because so much was cut out.

888
00:57:29,230 --> 00:57:33,530
I do. I remember renting City of the
Living Dead, the Fulci movie, on a label

889
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:37,570
called Elephant, and it was about an
hour long, I think, and it's a 90

890
00:57:37,570 --> 00:57:38,570
movie.

891
00:57:38,910 --> 00:57:42,910
It's kind of a good joke I heard. I
don't remember where I heard it, but

892
00:57:42,910 --> 00:57:47,950
about censorship and scenes like this,
getting cut, people writhing and being

893
00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:51,210
stabbed, you always kind of wonder if it
would be kind of neat if the censors

894
00:57:51,210 --> 00:57:55,210
were just kind of like smarmy assholes.
Instead of cutting out the gore, they're

895
00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:58,330
like, you know, I don't like this
character and this goes on too long.

896
00:57:58,330 --> 00:58:01,630
that and just focus on the gore instead.
I thought that would be kind of funny.

897
00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:06,100
Well, I think one of the other problems,
I suppose, is that the victims are all

898
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:07,400
scantily clad and or naked.

899
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,840
So that was a big no -no back in the
day.

900
00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:14,580
Yeah, I was just saying the censors
should have went after the plotting

901
00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:15,580
of the gore.

902
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,480
Yeah, they should have cut out the
repairing the marriage scenes.

903
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:26,270
I think that one of the big no -nos back
in the time was the blood on breasts as

904
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:31,710
well. Yeah, which we've just seen. The
BBFC said it was a rape trigger, in

905
00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:34,150
words, quite how they worked that out, I
don't know.

906
00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:39,330
But again, that scene with the killer
closing in on the woman in the corner is

907
00:58:39,330 --> 00:58:40,910
quite cruel, but it's effective.

908
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:45,370
But again, I don't know, I can't help
but compare it to the scene in Friday

909
00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:49,290
13th Part 2, isn't there, with the woman
being, she's cowering in the corner

910
00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:50,290
with Jason kind of...

911
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:52,180
walk slowly towards her.

912
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,560
I suppose there's only so many set -ups,
isn't there, in a slasher movie,

913
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:56,700
ultimately.

914
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,340
But now we know that pretty much all
the... Where is Stephanie?

915
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,620
I think she's gone out for a moody
stroll because she can't get her man.

916
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:12,560
A moody stroll, that's a good...

917
00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:21,000
I like – I'm sorry. I was just going to
say I like it when films kind of – they

918
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:26,820
manage to kill off a lot of people, but
the main portion, the main cast, I like

919
00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:31,420
it when they don't really – they're not
really aware that they're in danger

920
00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:35,540
until towards the end of the film. It
kind of gives it that sense of dread

921
00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:40,900
almost. That for me is the classic
slasher movie formula is where the

922
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,700
sort of unaware of the massacre until
sort of the final 10, 15 minutes.

923
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:49,220
Yeah. I mean, it also cuts down on a lot
of stupid character decisions because

924
00:59:49,220 --> 00:59:53,020
if they find out in the first five
minutes, they could easily just run

925
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,380
So I kind of like that they save it for,
I guess, as the punchline toward the

926
00:59:58,380 --> 00:59:59,299
end, as it were.

927
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:02,480
Although these girls were warned there
was a murder just the night before, or

928
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,640
two murders the night before in their
cabin. So they only have themselves to

929
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,000
blame. Yeah, but at this rate, they're
getting the cabin. It's worth it.

930
01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:12,940
True.

931
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:19,720
So from this point onwards, the last 10,
15 minutes, the film definitely ramps

932
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,060
up the action, doesn't it? It does,
yeah. I think it's very, very effective.

933
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,660
So now we've got, again, the old classic
of finding the...

934
01:00:29,710 --> 01:00:34,490
all the friends dead which of course is
what happened with Jamie Lee Curtis is

935
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:39,230
Laurie Strode in Halloween isn't it but
in this case she does run next door and

936
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:44,570
she actually gets in whereas in
Halloween Laurie Strode is everyone

937
01:00:44,570 --> 01:00:48,210
so I didn't copy that bit but I always
thought that was a really kind of

938
01:00:48,210 --> 01:00:50,830
effective but cruel moment in Halloween

939
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,940
where everyone thinks it's a halloween
prank but in fact she's actually being

940
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:58,860
chased by michael myers i think the one
thing this film is missing and i think i

941
01:00:58,860 --> 01:01:03,500
think eric would probably agree is that
um because i know he he has a particular

942
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:07,680
love for this type of thing is uh you
know they show the killer just his hand

943
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:13,240
mostly i think this film's missing like
uh i guess a good costume or a mask yeah

944
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,360
i love i do love a masked killer i think
it just makes it more eerie

945
01:01:18,860 --> 01:01:22,820
I guess they threw that in with the
troll killer in the dream sequence, but

946
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:24,760
could have had that killer throughout.

947
01:01:24,980 --> 01:01:31,700
I guess the whole idea in some ways is
keeping the mystery angle,

948
01:01:31,780 --> 01:01:35,500
isn't it? Because at this point, you
don't know whether or not the two guys

949
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:39,720
next door are involved in this or who it
is. Although, I guess now...

950
01:01:40,990 --> 01:01:45,510
Well, coming back, they've been out,
haven't they? So it kind of rules them

951
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:48,930
But it's still operating as a mystery up
until this point.

952
01:01:52,850 --> 01:01:56,910
That tapestry there that looks like a
giant X is also under the stairs in the

953
01:01:56,910 --> 01:02:02,770
cabin next door. I don't know if they
went and bought them en masse from Ikea

954
01:02:02,770 --> 01:02:05,390
something. They probably just moved it
between shots.

955
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:06,670
Yeah, yeah.

956
01:02:07,710 --> 01:02:12,270
I did see, because I was looking to see
if this film had any AKAs, also known

957
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:17,970
as, and apparently I read somewhere that
it was shot under the title The Devil's

958
01:02:17,970 --> 01:02:18,970
Mountain.

959
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:21,710
I don't know if that's the case, because
certainly we're talking a little bit

960
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:27,250
about how the cast and crew didn't know
this film had even got released, because

961
01:02:27,250 --> 01:02:30,730
there are certain films like Savage
Water that we've done a commentary for.

962
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,860
which never got released in the United
States. There's other slasher movies

963
01:02:34,860 --> 01:02:38,280
Hanging Heart that never got released,
that was made in Los Angeles, never got

964
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,760
released in the U .S., just got releases
in, well, not obscure, but countries

965
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,400
like Brazil and Poland and places like
that.

966
01:02:47,260 --> 01:02:54,160
But if you go to IMDb and look at the
message board for Satan's Blade, it goes

967
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,240
back now, because obviously the
Internet's been around now for a good

968
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,610
years. It goes back to the early 2000s,
and there's some of the cast and crew

969
01:03:01,610 --> 01:03:05,710
chatting about the film, swapping
stories, trying to get in touch with

970
01:03:05,710 --> 01:03:12,610
other, and just amazed that anyone had

971
01:03:12,610 --> 01:03:13,890
even heard of this film.

972
01:03:15,290 --> 01:03:21,650
And I know that Stephanie Lee Steele,
she

973
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:25,970
said that she hired the video and she
watched it with her three children, and

974
01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:27,170
they all had a good laugh.

975
01:03:29,230 --> 01:03:30,230
Sorry,

976
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:31,670
she was saying it was a cringy
experience.

977
01:03:32,890 --> 01:03:36,130
I love when they always block the doors
with stuff that's easily moved.

978
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:41,350
Especially against somebody of the might
of Jason, which happens a lot.

979
01:03:42,210 --> 01:03:47,410
It reminds me, not to keep talking about
different films, but it reminds me of

980
01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:51,930
the movie Scream, also known as The
Outing, where he props the two -by

981
01:03:51,930 --> 01:03:55,630
just lays it against the door, doesn't
even wedge it under the doorknob or

982
01:03:55,630 --> 01:03:56,630
anything.

983
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,520
That 2x4 will stop that invisible
killer.

984
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:06,260
Well, how about placing some runestones
in a circle to stop Michael Myers in

985
01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:07,260
Halloween 6?

986
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:11,600
The less sad about that film, the
better.

987
01:04:13,060 --> 01:04:14,200
And one thing...

988
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:21,240
Justin, did you watch that interview
with the director where he says that the

989
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:26,000
shot of the blade glowing when it's
stuck in the tree was done by an

990
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,000
Industrial Light and Magic?

991
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,480
And they spent $3 ,000 on it?

992
01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:33,140
I did.

993
01:04:33,740 --> 01:04:38,280
Do we believe? Is that true or is that
just a false memory?

994
01:04:42,250 --> 01:04:44,870
I don't know. I don't know. I guess we
have to believe the director. I have to

995
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:47,550
believe the director, but apparently the
glowing effect of the blade in the tree

996
01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:50,530
was done by somebody at Industrial Light
and Magic for $3 ,000.

997
01:04:51,850 --> 01:04:58,510
$3 ,000 is a lot of money for just what
is essentially just a matte effect or

998
01:04:58,510 --> 01:05:02,370
something. Yeah, I know. It's all 10
seconds to render.

999
01:05:03,350 --> 01:05:06,230
Exactly, which makes me question it.

1000
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:09,170
Gosh, he looks like Sadako from Ringu
there.

1001
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:13,210
There's no TV behind her.

1002
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:14,510
Yeah.

1003
01:05:16,570 --> 01:05:20,290
So we're kind of getting down to the
kind of nitty gritty now, aren't we?

1004
01:05:20,290 --> 01:05:24,550
of the, you know, bumping off the cost
one by one in kind of classic.

1005
01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:31,710
I assume everyone has watched the movie
at this stage, but it is surprising that

1006
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:33,170
Stephanie gets killed at the end.

1007
01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:37,470
I mean, it looks like she's just managed
to escape. She put the stab wound to

1008
01:05:37,470 --> 01:05:38,890
the stomach, but then she's chased.

1009
01:05:40,279 --> 01:05:41,279
Spoiler, Eric.

1010
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,300
No, but it is. I mean, there are a
number of slasher movies. I probably

1011
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:48,580
shouldn't mention them because that
would be a spoiler, but there are a

1012
01:05:48,580 --> 01:05:52,200
of slasher movies out there where the
person you think is going to be the

1013
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:53,680
girl gets killed in the end.

1014
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:59,460
I think Nathan has a hatred for the
final girl dying.

1015
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,660
No, not necessarily.

1016
01:06:03,020 --> 01:06:08,520
What I hate more than anything is when a
girl survives one movie only to get

1017
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:09,520
killed in the sequel.

1018
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,060
That's what I really hate.

1019
01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:12,340
Adrienne King.

1020
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:17,020
She's alive, so that's all I can say
about that.

1021
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:24,080
Okay. Nathan is firmly in the opinion
that the opening sequence of Friday the

1022
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,480
13th Part II is just a dream.

1023
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,220
Yep. And Laurie Strode is still alive.

1024
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:32,920
I imagine if you're listening to this
commentary you probably know that fact

1025
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:33,920
already.

1026
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,700
I would think so.

1027
01:06:35,980 --> 01:06:41,300
This is despite the fact that in Friday
the 13th, Part 2, you see a corpse at

1028
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:47,200
the Mrs. Voorhees Temple altar with a
screwdriver in it. That was a lookalike.

1029
01:06:47,260 --> 01:06:50,100
That was somebody else. That was
somebody else. That was somebody else.

1030
01:06:50,220 --> 01:06:54,760
He's doing a lot of mental gymnastics.
Jason was sleepwalking is what was

1031
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,620
happening. He was sleepwalking, and he
dreamed that he killed Alice, but he

1032
01:06:58,620 --> 01:06:59,620
really killed somebody else.

1033
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:00,638
Yeah, Sue.

1034
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:01,640
He killed Sue.

1035
01:07:01,790 --> 01:07:03,590
He killed Sue, yeah, poor Sue.

1036
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:08,510
So just out of interest, I mean, do you
think, I mean, with a film like this sat

1037
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:12,950
on the shelf and disappeared into all
but obscurity, I mean, back in the day

1038
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:16,370
when you could collect videos, it was
finding these movies before the

1039
01:07:16,450 --> 01:07:20,270
I mean, literally, you know, you
couldn't find anything out about them at

1040
01:07:20,330 --> 01:07:23,770
which was part of the fun, I kind of
guess, and certainly with Satan's Blade,

1041
01:07:23,810 --> 01:07:26,830
it's trying to find out stuff. I think I
read in my review, I could find nothing

1042
01:07:26,830 --> 01:07:27,850
about this movie.

1043
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:31,610
And since I found out, you know, a fair
bit about it.

1044
01:07:32,250 --> 01:07:38,610
And, you know, who would believe that a
film, well, any film of this kind of low

1045
01:07:38,610 --> 01:07:42,410
budget film from the early 1980s, even
the director was kind of kind of wowed

1046
01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:47,070
the fact that people putting it on Blu
-ray and the Arrow was lavish. Arrow did

1047
01:07:47,070 --> 01:07:51,130
a spectacular Blu -ray release last year
of Blood Rage, which is a film I would

1048
01:07:51,130 --> 01:07:53,270
never imagine would get such lavish
treatment.

1049
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:55,820
I mean, it's a slightly higher profile.

1050
01:07:56,060 --> 01:08:00,700
Well, it is a higher profile release
than Satan's Blade. But still, it's

1051
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:03,800
that movies like that and The Mutilator
as well would be another one that are

1052
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:04,800
getting the Blu -ray treatment.

1053
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:05,960
And they look spectacular.

1054
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,580
I mean, they're movies that you see on
VHS growing up and you think, oh,

1055
01:08:09,580 --> 01:08:12,560
just, you know, they were made for
tuppence. But actually, when you see

1056
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,840
restored, they're really, really nice to
look at.

1057
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,040
Absolutely.

1058
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,040
And I think that's one of the things is
when back in the day watching some of

1059
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,319
these videos and they would be...

1060
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:23,279
you know, full screen.

1061
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:29,439
And like I mentioned this before, but I
used to watch Luccio Fulci movies on Pan

1062
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,960
and Scan VHS back in the day. And not
only were they cut, there was lots of

1063
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,680
zooming in on the bridges of noses
because...

1064
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,660
because he wasn't doing that himself.

1065
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:42,220
We used to laugh at that, thinking, my
God, what on earth is he doing? But, of

1066
01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:46,660
course, forgetting that these were
beautiful widescreen, very well

1067
01:08:46,660 --> 01:08:49,060
composition films.

1068
01:08:49,899 --> 01:08:56,240
And so, again, having lived with a VHS
copy of Seconds Played for

1069
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,500
many years, to actually see it restored
like this, although...

1070
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,359
It's not going to win any awards.

1071
01:09:02,580 --> 01:09:07,560
It works even better when you can
actually see everything. And in fact,

1072
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:12,319
the limitations, and I think the cast
were saying there weren't many lights

1073
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,240
they used, and I could see that,
especially in this scene. I mean, you're

1074
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,740
much going by the light of the torch.

1075
01:09:18,460 --> 01:09:19,960
It's still pretty well shot, isn't it?

1076
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:25,880
And the fact is you can, on old muddy
VHS copies, sometimes a scene like this,

1077
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,200
you wouldn't be able to tell what was
going on.

1078
01:09:28,030 --> 01:09:31,470
And for those of us who lived back in
the day when you had to swap videos

1079
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:34,569
because many of them were illegal and
you would have the nth generation ones,

1080
01:09:34,649 --> 01:09:39,090
sometimes it would be so muddy, all you
could hear is grunting and shapes, kind

1081
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:42,410
of abstract shapes moving around and it
becomes like a muddy soup on screen. So

1082
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:46,850
to see them restored like this is a
dream come true for many genre fans like

1083
01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:52,109
ourselves. A lot of purists, you know,
they prefer VHS because of the

1084
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:54,810
And I do love VHS.

1085
01:09:55,050 --> 01:10:00,560
I love the vibe. gone days of collecting
them but let's just face it vhs you

1086
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:05,940
know quickly just degrades with each
watch rather quickly and that's the good

1087
01:10:05,940 --> 01:10:09,640
thing about digital is they take you
know this original print and then it'll

1088
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:14,360
last forever so you know it's well as i
said i was watching my vhs copy of

1089
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,860
satan's blade from the few vhs copies i
still have i sold off most of my

1090
01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:23,060
collection but The quality on it is
appalling. I mean, it is like, as Justin

1091
01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:26,860
said, it's an original copy, but it's
like an nth generation dupe.

1092
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:31,000
Just the quality on it is really bad. I
mean, it's nice to have as an artifact

1093
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,160
because the artwork is nice.

1094
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,620
It has a nice retro feel, but VHS
wouldn't be something I could go back to

1095
01:10:37,620 --> 01:10:38,820
the same way that I've gone back to
vinyl.

1096
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,620
It's such a stark contrast.

1097
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,840
You watch this on VHS, and you're like,
what's going on? And then Arrow does

1098
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,380
such a good job here of restoring it.
You're like, wow, this is like a...

1099
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:49,470
completely different movie almost.

1100
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,840
Absolutely. I mean, talking of the
cinematography, as we mentioned before,

1101
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,540
Terry Kempf who did, I think, quite a
lot of second unit directing on this.

1102
01:10:58,820 --> 01:11:03,620
He's one of the few people, but people
who've gone on to do other things. And

1103
01:11:03,620 --> 01:11:07,640
although I think this is only credit to
the cinematographer, I think he works in

1104
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,460
the art department now and he's got lots
of credits. In fact, he's actually, I

1105
01:11:11,460 --> 01:11:13,880
think his latest one, he's working on
the new Independence Day movie.

1106
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,180
Oh. So from small beginnings. Yeah.

1107
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,100
Again, and here we go back to yet
another comparison with Friday the 13th

1108
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:27,680
with Amy still under the bed and you've
got Stephanie still under the bed. And

1109
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,860
then when her... No rat though, no rat.

1110
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:35,180
That bit is like something in Wrong
Turn. There's a similar scene where a

1111
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:36,180
died.

1112
01:11:38,780 --> 01:11:40,340
Biting your hand just to keep quiet.

1113
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:46,450
Yeah, or in Michele Suave's stage
fright. There's a similar scene where

1114
01:11:46,450 --> 01:11:50,970
hiding in the shower cubicle and she can
see her friend being killed.

1115
01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:59,390
It does make you wonder if they hired
out the

1116
01:11:59,390 --> 01:12:00,710
cabins the next day after this.

1117
01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:04,310
Probably did. I told you not to hide the
money.

1118
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:07,590
Don't hide the money in the vent because
it always gets found.

1119
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:14,130
So this is the killer taking the money
out, I assume, and was that his sole

1120
01:12:14,130 --> 01:12:15,130
reason for killing everyone?

1121
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:17,710
I think it's just an added bonus.

1122
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:19,070
Yeah.

1123
01:12:20,230 --> 01:12:21,230
I'm rich.

1124
01:12:22,710 --> 01:12:27,410
I avenged Satan's will. Now I'm going to
go spend some money. Satan's cash.

1125
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:29,010
Yeah.

1126
01:12:29,970 --> 01:12:31,270
Tithe. Tithe to Satan.

1127
01:12:35,210 --> 01:12:38,370
It's a little bit odd there here, is it?
Because it looks like it was daylight

1128
01:12:38,370 --> 01:12:42,010
outside, and now it looks like it's
nighttime outside, although I might be

1129
01:12:42,010 --> 01:12:46,790
wrong. But it does, unless all the
curtains are drawn.

1130
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:51,030
But she's done the sensible thing,
hasn't she? Hide under the bed until the

1131
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:55,310
killer has gone, or has he? We'll soon
find out. Hard to escape, you know,

1132
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:56,850
loud clodhoppers she's wearing.

1133
01:13:01,670 --> 01:13:02,750
Poor Neil Diamond.

1134
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:13,340
I think it's funny, because ever since
I've been doing hysteria, I never

1135
01:13:13,340 --> 01:13:17,740
imagined, I've spoken about this before,
about people in these movies 30 years

1136
01:13:17,740 --> 01:13:22,960
ago searching themselves, but they do,
people do, of course everyone searches

1137
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,800
themselves, and my favourite one, so I
mentioned it before, was the woman from

1138
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,940
The Nurse from The Last Lumber Party,
who I said looked like she was on horse

1139
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:30,940
tranquilizers.

1140
01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:36,480
Thankfully, she laughed. And then there
was the woman from... Movie House

1141
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:41,220
Massacre? Movie House Massacre, who
thanked me for smashing her breasts all

1142
01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:42,220
the internet.

1143
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:47,920
So it's kind of like, you know, there's
some disconnect there, but hopefully

1144
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,020
most of them realise that it all comes
from a place of love.

1145
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:53,780
But unfortunately, this is the end for
Stephanie.

1146
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,900
And here we find out that the killer
is...

1147
01:13:59,180 --> 01:14:04,260
I think somebody compared him a bit to
Dewey in the Scream series. Yeah, very

1148
01:14:04,260 --> 01:14:05,260
much so, isn't he?

1149
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,540
Yeah. So you don't expect the policeman
to be the killer. And in fact, actually,

1150
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,260
it's one of the rare early 80s fashion
movies doesn't have a fat policeman.

1151
01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:17,300
Because you've usually got the fat
sheriff, haven't you? Yeah. The

1152
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:18,580
sheriff. Yeah, it's missing that
element.

1153
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,520
The smoking the bandit sheriff, yeah.

1154
01:14:21,260 --> 01:14:24,660
Yeah. Now, Justin, your opinion
obviously has changed since you wrote

1155
01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:26,860
review for History of Lives about
Satan's Blade.

1156
01:14:28,190 --> 01:14:29,950
I think you gave it one out of five for
this?

1157
01:14:30,930 --> 01:14:32,350
Yeah, one and a half out of five.

1158
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:40,490
But again, at the time when I started
doing the website, I was doing

1159
01:14:40,490 --> 01:14:41,730
reviews. I was comparing everything.

1160
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:43,710
See, that's the problem I had as well,
yeah.

1161
01:14:44,670 --> 01:14:49,270
And now that I've watched all these
movies and I've gone back to them, I get

1162
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:50,470
from them in a different way.

1163
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:54,750
And I kind of judge them on their own
merits. And of course, the Flash movie

1164
01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:55,750
very...

1165
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:59,240
You know, by its very nature, it's kind
of cannibalistic. It kind of feeds off

1166
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:05,520
itself and off the tropes and
everything. But there's a lot to be

1167
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:06,520
Satan's Blade.

1168
01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:10,960
You know, it's not the perfect movie, as
we said, but there's a lot to like in

1169
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:11,960
it.

1170
01:15:12,180 --> 01:15:16,760
And I would certainly rate it higher now
than I did. How about you guys? What

1171
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:17,719
about you, Nathan?

1172
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,720
Oh,

1173
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,140
I love Satan's Blade.

1174
01:15:20,380 --> 01:15:22,240
I mean, I would rate it extremely high.

1175
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:27,340
I would give it maybe like four out of
five stars.

1176
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,640
Okay. Well, Nathan does have a
reputation for liking certain types of

1177
01:15:32,740 --> 01:15:35,920
You probably all would like Satan's
Blade, but my reaction would be similar

1178
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,880
yours, Justin. When I bought this VHS
and not knowing anything about it, I

1179
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,920
it when I got home to watch it. Now, it
was censored and it was an awful print

1180
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,800
with awful sound, so that didn't help
matters really at all.

1181
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:47,700
But, you know, my...

1182
01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:53,260
horror movie viewing habits back then
were much the same. I wanted everything

1183
01:15:53,260 --> 01:15:57,780
be glossy and Friday the 13th -ish. And
if it wasn't, then I didn't like it.

1184
01:15:57,860 --> 01:16:00,720
But, you know, I've done a complete 180
on loads of these movies since.

1185
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:04,500
I mean, there was a time when I didn't
like Pieces or Bloody Moon, which are

1186
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:05,900
two of my favourite films of all time.

1187
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:11,000
So, you know, my opinions do change. And
there are reviews I've done for your

1188
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,240
website where I would like to go back
and revisit them. And because my opinion

1189
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,440
has changed, it's like, why was I so
harsh on Sorority House Massacre? It's

1190
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:18,440
actually kind of fun.

1191
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:23,070
Maybe I can get you to re -watch Crazy
Fat Ethel 2.

1192
01:16:24,650 --> 01:16:25,650
I'm washing my hair.

1193
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:28,030
Oh, well, darn.

1194
01:16:29,950 --> 01:16:30,950
How about you, Joseph?

1195
01:16:31,150 --> 01:16:33,590
Yeah, it's similar.

1196
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:41,140
I'd find a lot of these films in old
video shops or resale shops, and I would

1197
01:16:41,140 --> 01:16:46,320
compare them to the higher budget films,
especially in the mid-'90s when the

1198
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,920
screen boom was out and everything was
all glossy.

1199
01:16:49,620 --> 01:16:54,120
You'd be like, this is terrible, but
it's really no way to judge a film. You

1200
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,860
need to judge it on its own merits, and
certainly with this restoration.

1201
01:16:58,940 --> 01:17:03,380
that Arrow is done to Satan's Blade, you
actually get to see and hear what's

1202
01:17:03,380 --> 01:17:07,100
going on as it's meant to be in it. It
really is, I mean, it's a low -budget

1203
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:08,100
film.

1204
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,320
It's old hat, but it's really well shot.

1205
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,080
It's, you know, for the most part,
pretty well acted.

1206
01:17:16,460 --> 01:17:17,940
It's edited well.

1207
01:17:18,140 --> 01:17:22,660
I mean, I'd say it's a decent to good
movie, you know, maybe three out of five

1208
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:23,660
stars for me.

1209
01:17:24,830 --> 01:17:29,470
Cool. Okay. Well, we're coming up to the
end of the movie, although we're not

1210
01:17:29,470 --> 01:17:34,710
quite there yet. I mean, if there was a
sequel to Satan's Blade, I mean, I know

1211
01:17:34,710 --> 01:17:39,250
the director said that he was hoping
there would be one at some point, or he

1212
01:17:39,250 --> 01:17:40,250
hoping to do one.

1213
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:42,650
What would your ideas for it be?

1214
01:17:42,930 --> 01:17:45,510
What would you like to see? I'd call it
Jesus' Blade.

1215
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:53,090
My version would be a group of people
come up the day after this massacre,

1216
01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:55,350
the cabins, The massacre continues.

1217
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:56,849
Yeah.

1218
01:17:56,850 --> 01:17:59,290
Would it be a different killer or the
same killer?

1219
01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:01,850
I'd have somebody else find the blade.

1220
01:18:02,170 --> 01:18:08,530
Yeah. I think maybe a – I'm not super
fond of remakes, but if they were to

1221
01:18:08,530 --> 01:18:13,250
remake something like this and call it
Satan's Blade, maybe the killer dressed

1222
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:18,690
as a gaudy -looking Satan kind of
character would be interesting.

1223
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,520
Because I'm not sure, are there any
allusions whatsoever to the actual

1224
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:31,400
tale of Satan or the character of Satan?
I mean, or is that

1225
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,700
just the title? I mean, has anyone ever
mentioned Satan at all? I don't think

1226
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:37,180
Satan does get mentioned in the movie.

1227
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:41,560
I guess just an evocative title to use
maybe? Yeah, exactly.

1228
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:47,660
I mean, it's really just the tale, isn't
it, that the old woman tells in the

1229
01:18:47,660 --> 01:18:53,260
lodge at reception that kind of hints
that it's some kind of demonic presence,

1230
01:18:53,340 --> 01:18:58,700
some kind of boogeyman, sort of like
Yeti or like a Madman Mars -style kind

1231
01:18:58,700 --> 01:19:04,020
character. And again, it almost kind of
hints back to films increasingly.

1232
01:19:05,980 --> 01:19:09,700
Through the early 80s, when looking to
make slightly more fantastical films

1233
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:14,440
this, taking the lead from Halloween and
less so, say, from Friday the 13th,

1234
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:17,880
although arguably you could say that
that goes forward, but films like Ghost

1235
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:22,480
Dance that use Indian legends and films
like that, increasingly throughout the

1236
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:23,960
80s, there was more of a supernatural
bent.

1237
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,880
And then, of course, you're coming up
here now for the, not a big reveal, but

1238
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,320
your kind of carry moment, which is kind
of your scores of...

1239
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:36,930
Sort of Excalibur. That was the hand out
of the water. That's the poster that I

1240
01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:43,570
think they did for the Puerto Rican
drive -in that I saw in the

1241
01:19:43,570 --> 01:19:45,490
ad bill I was talking about earlier.

1242
01:19:46,990 --> 01:19:48,790
And there's the expensive special
effects.

1243
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:51,210
$3 ,000.

1244
01:19:51,530 --> 01:19:53,030
Wow. Well spent. Well spent.

1245
01:19:53,530 --> 01:19:56,830
Well, they got to use it twice in the
movie. And this fisherman coming down

1246
01:19:56,830 --> 01:19:59,690
hill now is the director, Scott Castillo
Jr.

1247
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,600
So use it twice at least it paid for
itself.

1248
01:20:02,820 --> 01:20:04,040
Yeah. True.

1249
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:09,340
Yeah, didn't he say, I read that he
threw the blade and had to run down the

1250
01:20:09,340 --> 01:20:14,060
really fast and then walk up all in one
shot, which is very well done.

1251
01:20:14,460 --> 01:20:15,460
Yeah.

1252
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,600
Yes.

1253
01:20:17,230 --> 01:20:23,110
But, yes, well, I hope you've enjoyed
that, well, our commentary for Satan's

1254
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:24,290
Blade for the Arrow release.

1255
01:20:24,530 --> 01:20:29,710
We are collectively The Hysteria
Continues, as the film continues

1256
01:20:29,710 --> 01:20:33,310
if you've enjoyed what we said, then
please join us every other week, more or

1257
01:20:33,310 --> 01:20:38,910
less. We're up to about 121 episodes
now, and we choose a slasher movie each

1258
01:20:38,910 --> 01:20:42,930
time. You can find us on iTunes. Just
search for Hysteria Continues or

1259
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:49,880
And, yes, we've enjoyed covering it. And
the legend continues, or does it? You

1260
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:54,180
know, will we see? Hopefully Arrow's
release will be such a success that the

1261
01:20:54,180 --> 01:20:55,900
legend will indeed continue.

1262
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,220
But I hope you guys have enjoyed talking
about Saints Play today. Loved it,

1263
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,700
yeah. Big fan of early 80s slasher
movies. Oh, it's amazing.

1264
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:10,770
Well, there you go. What better
recommendation could you get? So I'm not

1265
01:21:10,770 --> 01:21:14,490
sure how long these credits go on, but
we will bid you a fond adieu now.

1266
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:18,370
And yeah, enjoy the rest of Extras on
Clayton's Blade.